Goten and Trunks Ssj level?

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Goten and Trunks Ssj level?
Tweet Topic Started: Apr 28 2013, 12:44 PM (2,425 Views)
+ Majin Vegeta	Apr 28 2013, 12:44 PM Post #1
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	Ok here it is in the android saga and Cell saga we saw this Ssj forms: Normal Ssj-Goku against Frieza,Vegeta against 19 Ascented Ssj-Vegeta against semi perfect Cell and Perfect Cell Ultra Ssj-Teunks against Perfect Cell,and Goku in the time chamber Full Power Ssj-It was showed bu Goku and Gohan post Rosat fighting Vell and remained ssjs all the time,so which level are the boys pre and post rosat?do you know?
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* Ketchup Revenge	Apr 28 2013, 06:04 PM Post #2
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Vegeta8558 Apr 28 2013, 12:44 PM Ok here it is in the android saga and Cell saga we saw this Ssj forms: Normal Ssj-Goku against Frieza,Vegeta against 19 Ascented Ssj-Vegeta against semi perfect Cell and Perfect Cell Ultra Ssj-Teunks against Perfect Cell,and Goku in the time chamber Full Power Ssj-It was showed bu Goku and Gohan post Rosat fighting Vell and remained ssjs all the time,so which level are the boys pre and post rosat?do you know? I put both around Super Vegeta or Ultra Trunks before ROSAT, and around MSSj Goku and Gohan (Cell Games) after. Neither of them seem strong enough to pull off SSj2 even after they come out, and I don't believe that Goku was that far away from being able to when we see him during the Cell Games. Gohan is seen to be able to after his initial "rage" transformation, and I really don't believe that Goku was really that far behind him in power. Even something as small as a 15% difference between people can make it look like one is significantly stronger than the other, and I believe the same concept works with transformations as well. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Apr 28 2013, 06:08 PM.
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+ Pointer	Apr 28 2013, 06:06 PM Post #3
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+ Clearin	Apr 28 2013, 06:06 PM Post #4
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	I have them a little weaker than Cell Games Goku before they go in the RoSaT and a little weaker than the Buu saga adults after.



* Ketchup Revenge	Apr 28 2013, 06:12 PM Post #5
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Clearin Apr 28 2013, 06:06 PM I have them a little weaker than Cell Games Goku before they go in the RoSaT and a little weaker than the Buu saga adults after. I never under why people put them that high because neither are shown to be able to pull off SSj2 outside Gotenks. All the Adults by the time of Boo were SSj2 (and experienced ones at that). It doesn't make sense why Goten and Trunks wouldn't be able to go SSj2 if they weren't too far behind the adults who had been at that level for a while. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Apr 28 2013, 06:17 PM.
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+ Clearin	Apr 28 2013, 06:18 PM Post #6
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	KetchupRevenge Apr 28 2013, 06:12 PM Clearin Apr 28 2013, 06:06 PM I have them a little weaker than Cell Games Goku before they go in the RoSaT and a little weaker than the Buu saga adults after. I never under why people put them that high because neither are shown to be able to pull off SSj2 outside Gotenks. All the Adults by the time of Boo were SSj2 (and strong ones at that). It doesn't make sense why Goten and Trunks wouldn't be able to do it if they weren't too far behind the adults who could. Super Saiyan 2 doesn't just get unlocked when you get strong enough like they're RPG characters or something. You have to train, or have the emotional breakdown in Gohan's case, to unlock it. Since neither Trunks nor Goten even knew SSj2 existed they wouldn't have tried to unlock it.



* Ketchup Revenge	Apr 28 2013, 06:27 PM Post #7
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Clearin Apr 28 2013, 06:18 PM KetchupRevenge Apr 28 2013, 06:12 PM Clearin Apr 28 2013, 06:06 PM I have them a little weaker than Cell Games Goku before they go in the RoSaT and a little weaker than the Buu saga adults after. I never under why people put them that high because neither are shown to be able to pull off SSj2 outside Gotenks. All the Adults by the time of Boo were SSj2 (and strong ones at that). It doesn't make sense why Goten and Trunks wouldn't be able to do it if they weren't too far behind the adults who could. Super Saiyan 2 doesn't just get unlocked when you get strong enough like they're RPG characters or something. You have to train, or have the emotional breakdown in Gohan's case, to unlock it. Since neither Trunks nor Goten even knew SSj2 existed they wouldn't have tried to unlock it. Gotenks didn't know how he went SSj3, so thinking that either rage or emotional breakdown are required for initial SSj transformations is not really a sound way of thinking.
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+ Clearin	Apr 28 2013, 07:22 PM Post #8
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	KetchupRevenge Apr 28 2013, 06:27 PM Clearin Apr 28 2013, 06:18 PM KetchupRevenge Apr 28 2013, 06:12 PM Clearin Apr 28 2013, 06:06 PM I have them a little weaker than Cell Games Goku before they go in the RoSaT and a little weaker than the Buu saga adults after. I never under why people put them that high because neither are shown to be able to pull off SSj2 outside Gotenks. All the Adults by the time of Boo were SSj2 (and strong ones at that). It doesn't make sense why Goten and Trunks wouldn't be able to do it if they weren't too far behind the adults who could. Super Saiyan 2 doesn't just get unlocked when you get strong enough like they're RPG characters or something. You have to train, or have the emotional breakdown in Gohan's case, to unlock it. Since neither Trunks nor Goten even knew SSj2 existed they wouldn't have tried to unlock it. Gotenks didn't know how he went SSj3, so thinking that either rage or emotional breakdown are required for initial SSj transformations is not really a sound way of thinking. Gotenks could train to get to SSj3 because he knew it existed...



Alex D. Boss	Apr 28 2013, 07:44 PM Post #9
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	Both are stronger than Vegeta and Trunks CG , considering both are close to Teen Gohan.



+ Majin Vegeta	Apr 28 2013, 07:46 PM Post #10
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	Clearin Apr 28 2013, 07:22 PM KetchupRevenge Apr 28 2013, 06:27 PM Clearin Apr 28 2013, 06:18 PM KetchupRevenge Apr 28 2013, 06:12 PM Clearin Apr 28 2013, 06:06 PM I have them a little weaker than Cell Games Goku before they go in the RoSaT and a little weaker than the Buu saga adults after. I never under why people put them that high because neither are shown to be able to pull off SSj2 outside Gotenks. All the Adults by the time of Boo were SSj2 (and strong ones at that). It doesn't make sense why Goten and Trunks wouldn't be able to do it if they weren't too far behind the adults who could. Super Saiyan 2 doesn't just get unlocked when you get strong enough like they're RPG characters or something. You have to train, or have the emotional breakdown in Gohan's case, to unlock it. Since neither Trunks nor Goten even knew SSj2 existed they wouldn't have tried to unlock it. Gotenks didn't know how he went SSj3, so thinking that either rage or emotional breakdown are required for initial SSj transformations is not really a sound way of thinking. Gotenks could train to get to SSj3 because he knew it existed... And they have seen Goku demonstrated on them to see how can you be a ssj3 so they might follow his tips as well to become ssj3😊
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TheACE	Apr 28 2013, 07:56 PM Post #11
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	Abyss Apr 28 2013, 06:06 PM pre rosat: android saga vegeta Post rosat : Initial perfect cell That makes perfect sense. I can see that working. They were able to just keep up with Android 18, and then during the later Arc, their fusion was enough to stalemate Super Buu, so that works. Two cheers and Beers for Abyss. Vegeta8558 Apr 28 2013, 07:46 PM Clearin Apr 28 2013, 07:22 PM KetchupRevenge Apr 28 2013, 06:27 PM Clearin Apr 28 2013, 06:18 PM KetchupRevenge Apr 28 2013, 06:12 PM Clearin Apr 28 2013, 06:06 PM I have them a little weaker than Cell Games Goku before they go in the RoSaT and a little weaker than the Buu saga adults after. I never under why people put them that high because neither are shown to be able to pull off SSj2 outside Gotenks. All the Adults by the time of Boo were SSj2 (and strong ones at that). It doesn't make sense why Goten and Trunks wouldn't be able to do it if they weren't too far behind the adults who could. Super Saiyan 2 doesn't just get unlocked when you get strong enough like they're RPG characters or something. You have to train, or have the emotional breakdown in Gohan's case, to unlock it. Since neither Trunks nor Goten even knew SSj2 existed they wouldn't have tried to unlock it. Gotenks didn't know how he went SSj3, so thinking that either rage or emotional breakdown are required for initial SSj transformations is not really a sound way of thinking. Gotenks could train to get to SSj3 because he knew it existed... And they have seen Goku demonstrated on them to see how can you be a ssj3 so they might follow his tips as well to become ssj3😊 It does make you wonder if Saiyan hybrids have the same rules. Apparently Vegeta and Goku just did brutal training to get to the Ascended Saiyan level versus Gohan who just transformed with his Super Saiyan's rage. My guess is they did the same thing that Goku did, though how I don't know.
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* Crashbreaka	Apr 28 2013, 08:47 PM Post #12
Captain Oblivious Posts: 6,888 Group: Retired Staff Member #7,771 Joined: June 14, 2012 Gender Male Country New Zealand Favourite Anime Onepunch-Man, Gurren Lagann What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Seven Deadly Sins, Food Wars, Onepunch-Man	I have them around Teen Gohan's level Pre RoSaT, and probably marginally stronger post or sutin. I think that'd be around Goku's level at the Cell games.



Prince .	Apr 28 2013, 09:03 PM Post #13
NO.1 Miz fan in the world . MIZ IS AWESOME . Posts: 2,245 Group: Probation Member #7,275 Joined: February 3, 2012 Gender Not Specified	I have SSjin Trunks pre Rosat pretty close to SSjin Teen Gohan while I have SSjin Goten pre rosat 15% weaker than SSjin Teen Gohan SSjins Kids Post rosat are a bit stronger than MSSjin Goku Cell games IMO .



* Ketchup Revenge	Apr 28 2013, 09:36 PM Post #14
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Vegeta8558 Apr 28 2013, 07:46 PM And they have seen Goku demonstrated on them to see how can you be a ssj3 so they might follow his tips as well to become ssj3😊 That was filler. He never showed them in the manga. Quote: Gotenks could train to get to SSj3 because he knew it existed.. Either way, neither of the boys had any skill in transforming other than Super Saiyan. And it doesn't make sense why they'd only use higher SSj levels with Gotenks, and not individually if the only requirement is indeed learning or emotional distress. This suggests to me that neither of them were strong enough separately to transform on their own, even though they knew it existed. So if they are truly almost as strong as the adults in the Boo Arc, it wouldn't make sense for them not to be able to transform on their own if they knew how to do it as Gotenks. Also Goten was a SSj without remembering how he'd done it initially. Him training to that point is not likely considering that the only formal training that he had was with Chi Chi. He plays with Trunks, but they didn't formally train. I also can't ever see him being legitimately upset about something considering he'd never been in any real fights or seen anyone die a horrible death. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Apr 28 2013, 09:53 PM.
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~~DSB~~	Apr 29 2013, 03:23 AM Post #15
The Showstopper Posts: 3,850 Group: Suspended Member #8,626 Joined: November 29, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox 16 Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Pre Rosat = ASSj Vegeta [Cell Games] Post Rosat = About equal or stronger than MSSJ Kid Gohan
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